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  1. Tony Hunt

    The one factor always left out of this superannuation equation by the experts is “How much, if any, do you want to leave to the kids when you die?”

  2. glenn

    The main issue with these numbers is the assumed 7% return over the long term. A cursory look at inventments would show that something below 6% is probably closer the ‘norm’

  3. Jon Kalkman

    All the discussion around how long $1 million or $2 million dollars will last hinges on the return retirees can achieve on their investments. Your assumption of only 7% income and growth before inflation does indeed mean that it is only a matter of time before the money runs out.

    For most people that assumption is quite valid because they are in a retail or industry super fund which is selling units with every pension payment. Therefore the sale price of these units is subject to enormous volatility. As a consequence, people using these products are strongly advised to hold a balance fund as the best compromise between return and volatility risk. Your experts at ASIC are also making this assumption.

    As I pointed out in my response of 3 November, if I have sufficient income to sit out any downturn, volatility is not a risk that I need to manage. Therefore, I can set my asset allocation to give me the best return in both income and growth. I choose to hold Australian shares because:

    Holding Australian shares inside my SMSF paying pensions means that my income is at least 7% from dividends (5%) and the refund of imputation credits (2%). Assuming that provides sufficient income, the only thing I need to worry about is inflation.

    Dividends depend on company profits not share prices. Company profits grow at an average rate of 8% which is faster than inflation. So if I just live off the earnings of my shares, the income stream should last as long as I do.

    So my SMSF, paying pensions, achieves 15% (7% income and 8% average growth). It begs the question why retail and industry funds have such a low return. It also begs the question why some many people persist with managed funds and their expensive sales representatives (advisers)

    I would hope that a non-aligned expert such as yourself would at least expose your readers to an alternative point of view from the usual – volatility risk – balance fund – low return – longevity risk spiel we get from advisers and the media with a vested interest in keeping clients in managed funds.

    Jon

    1. J Lucas

      Thank you Jon!!!!!
      You are the first person to express so well what I have been wondering about. Am just starting an SMSF and wondering what assets to hold… am 51 years.
      I am planning to transfer from my industry super to my own super.
      was thinking of a mix of wholesale managed funds, shares, and some bonds/term deposits.
      After reading your comments, am thinking of reducing the managed funds and/or bonds, and having more in the shares…
      It also makes me wonder about holding a share portfolio outside of super that can supply a modest-comfy income, and retaining it as long as possible. if the shares are fully franked there are advantages for this model outside super anyway. I wonder if Trish has any articles/views on this strategy too. is the transition to retirement option effective if your main income is franked shares?
      Trish, a thousand thanks for your wonderful website and keeping it up to date. Tremendous work and greatly appreciated.
      :-) ))

      1. Jon

        It is important to note that imputation credits associated with dividends are tax credits for the 30% company tax already paid on the profits. The dividends shareholders receive are paid out of after-tax profits. Companies that pay tax in Australia generate imputation credits for their shareholders. These tax credits can be used to offset the shareholder’s other income tax liabilities and any unused credits are refunded as cash. Therefore, taxpayers whose marginal tax rate is less than 30% may get a refund for the tax already paid on their behalf. Taxpayers on a higher tax rate may need to pay extra to make up any shortfall.

        The attraction of superannuation is the tax incentives it provides and super funds are separate taxpayers.

        In accumulation phase the super fund, pays 15% tax on the fund’s income and tax-deductible contributions such as salary sacrifice contributions. Any imputation credits associated with that income can thus be used of offset this tax obligation and any unused credit is refunded.

        In pension phase, a super fund has to complete a tax return, but it pays no tax on its income or capital gains. This means that all the imputation credits are refunded as cash to the fund and this is extra cash that can be distributed to members as higher pensions.

        If you hold your shares outside super, the imputation credits will help to offset your tax payable on that income. In fact, you can earn $94,500 in dividend income and pay no additional tax (assuming 100% franking) as the associated $40,500 imputation credits cancel out the tax payable on the taxable income of $135,000. (Imputation credits are regarded as income even though you do not receive them)

        If you hold your retirement savings inside a SMSF paying a pension, the fund pays no tax on its earnings and the fund gets an additional tax refund for any imputation credits. Therefore, the same $94,500 in dividends would get an additional refund of $40,500, for a total income of $135,000.

        Moreover, if you draw a pension from a super pension fund, you also pay no personal tax on your pension income if you are over 60. As it is tax exempt income, it does not even appear on your tax return and that means that any non-super income such as interest, rent, or dividends can benefit from low marginal tax rates and/or tax offsets.

        Combining the tax advantages of imputation credits with the tax advantages of a super pension make this a powerful strategy.

  4. Bob Amery

    Very few of us are as lucky as Mr Kalkman, who has sufficient income to sit out any downturn, which I assume means he thinks he’ll never have to sell any shares or other investments to provide income.

    It’s also concerning that, like many people, Mr Kalkman is myopically focussed on expected returns with little apparent consideration for the risk associated with deriving those returns. For example, the risk that companies won’t suspend or reduce dividends and the risk of dilutative equity raisings such as those of 2007 which slashed dividend per share payouts.

    Also, the statement that his SMSF achieves 15% doesn’t make sense, as the 8% average growth figure is not a cashflow. You can’t eat an average capital gain figure if you don’t sell any investments!

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