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  1. Juliet

    Hi Trish – great website, easy to use and very informative. Thanks – I have sent it to several of my friends. Question: Can you explain how the new ING Money for Life plan differs from a regular annuity. It seems remarkably “person friendly”, (low fees, ratcheting upwards, but never down, goes on until one dies,etc). what’s the catch? :-)

  2. mhfz

    thanks i got the info i needed :)

  3. Matthew Ross (Roskow Independent Advisory)

    Juliet, I haven’t been able to download a copy of the PDS but from the limited research I’ve done so far, the ING Money for Life fund is an account based pension that you can get from the providers listed above in the last table. The only way that it is like an annuity is the “guarantee payment” that it is offering which (here’s the catch) comes at a high cost. The fees on the pension are 2.75%pa to 3.15%pa which to astute investors who understand the details or seek independent financial advice is a high cost to pay for “security”.

    ING provides the guarantee by paying for protection through call or put options on the market; they make money on these options, but they do deliver a level of security to their investors. Also keep in mind that now is the prime time for them to provide these products because they know how capital markets operate; they recover, always. They have NEVER failed to recover. So if you’re going to offer these products, doing it right after a crash is ideal because the demand increases. In reality risk of another drop has decreased dramatically. The question is, where were all these products back in July to October 2007 when markets were high? The irony of it all is that as soon as markets increase, demand for this product reduces but that is when risk increases. So demand for this product when markets are having returns of 20%+ like they were between 2003 and 2007 was low.

    In my opinion, if you’re concerned about your capital dropping my 10-20% over a 12 month period (or more) then don’t put your money in the sharemarket. This means you miss out on returns when they come and ultimately have to spend less. It’s a sign of an uneducated investor and a lazy adviser that puts their clients into these products. If you need a security blanket when you’re investing into growth asset markets like property and shares – you shouldn’t be there in the first place. Investment advice isn’t about finding someone who can make you lots of money, it’s about finding someone who can show you how to manage risks in capital markets that do create wealth over the long term. Trish is this too long to post? Ha!

  4. Matthew Ross (Roskow Independent Advisory)

    p.s First State Super’s low fees are incredible. They offer index funds too (as opposed to most industry super funds that invest money into crystal ball gazing fund managers). I just hope that they (First State Super) don’t get gobbled up by a bigger fund such as Australian Super.

    1. Karen Volpato

      Hi, Matthew. Karen Volpato, Marketing Manager from First State Super here. First State Super ($21 B prior to the merger with Health Super on 30 June 2011) is now over $30 billion and is Australia’s fourth largest super fund. And we aim to keep providing great value to members and employers.

  5. Matthew Ross (Roskow Independent Advisory)

    Thanks for the information Karen. Keep fees that low and you’re going to be the largest in time.

    It’s great to see an industry super fund that understands the value that index fund managers provide compared to active, high fee, crystal ball gazing fund managers (which for some reason other industry super funds seem to favor).

  6. dana

    Hi Karen,
    I’m about to leave Unisuper (mer of 0.61% – on average for high growth option) for Frist State Super purely based on fees. Is the MER likely to stay below the 0.61% for the next two to three years? As this is the main reason im joining the fund.

    Thanks,
    Dana

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